tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post2045808100195743144..comments2023-10-28T09:08:17.297-04:00Comments on The H.O.D. Blog: 1.20.09Theresa Garciahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07099980038258318614noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-49011108470813523112009-01-26T11:08:00.000-05:002009-01-26T11:08:00.000-05:00Theresa, you propose some really good questions. I...Theresa, you propose some really good questions. I really enjoy these discussions and it makes me think more thoroughly through things. My perspective is banning abortion wouldn't be big government governing a woman's body/decisions; it would make murder across the board illegal, or at least not government funded. It definitely wouldn't FUND abortions nationally and per legislation Obama already has signed and proposed, we would not fund global abotions. I am (for some reason) amazed that he has already got that rolling. Anyways, I know I don't have all the answers but I am pro-life under any circumstance. Also, if government wants to help, perhaps funding more affordable adoptions for families that are barren and would make great homes for children would be a place to start. Do you realize adoptions cost between <BR/>$20k-$30k?? There are many wonderful, stable homes with couples that are ready to make a family but can't take produce that sum up front. That would be govenrment supporting life. Wouldn't that be GREAT?! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-68358145393332074772009-01-26T09:10:00.000-05:002009-01-26T09:10:00.000-05:00I am against abortion. There is nothing in me tha...I am against abortion. There is nothing in me that feels like I would ever have be able to do it no matter the circumstances. However, having said that, I have never been the victim of rape or incest, nor has my life ever been in danger because I was having a baby. I don't know how I would react in those situations. So, I have a hard time judging women on that merit (or lack thereof) alone. <BR/><BR/>Next, I think big government is a bad thing. Soooooo...if we agree that abortion is murder (and let's just say that a baby is a baby from the moment of conception for argument's sake) then here is my fuzziness. Murder is against the law. We put people in jail and they might even end up on death row if the degree of murder was high enough. We say that abortion is murder (and I think that it is), but because it involves a woman's body, do we make it illegal and allow the government to govern our bodies too? Does it really become a law? If we give the government control over our bodies, what's next? In the same vein, how do we discourage abortion? And, if abortion is totally illegal, then what do we do with women who violate said law? Lock them up? Fine them? <BR/><BR/>I am not pretending to know the answers. I am just adding my two cents into this discussion. I am full of questions when it comes to abortion.Theresa Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099980038258318614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-63777268936274642012009-01-25T21:17:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:17:00.000-05:00I didn't mean not to put my name on that last post...I didn't mean not to put my name on that last post. so i guess this is my last post.lol my badAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-32835406769609458672009-01-25T21:16:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:16:00.000-05:00MicahI appreciate that heads up. As far him and Th...Micah<BR/><BR/>I appreciate that heads up. As far him and The Koran go.......I wouldn't doubt that it happened. You don't really know what religion the man is. He has claimed to be a christian but he seems to be muslim to me. My thoughts on all that are simple. Listen to his pastor for like 5 seconds and then, maybe then you can understand the way this man thinks. Look at the people the he has associated himself with. There are so many things that YOU don't know about the man. I may not know it ALL but I, like a lot of other people want to know about all this stuff. The problem is the news never shed any light on any of these things. Sure he distanced himself from his pastor and practically disowned him but he went to that church and listened to that man for 20+ years. But some people say that he didn't agree with his pastor, he just went there. That makes no sense. The bottom line is, he has way too many things about him that people just don't know, and obviously a lot of people don't care cause he is the president. The news stations were too busy ripping Sarah Palin for God knows what every day of the week instead of talking about the questions about Obama. You can spout whatever you want but I watch as much news as I can. I watched every debate and listened to both men. I don't believe Obama to be as good a man as people think he is. He is a really good talker, thats it. He sugarcoats things. He makes things sound so good, even though they aren't. In 4 years, when this crap we are in has gotten worse, what will you say then? You either wont say much if anything or you will STILL defend him. I'm done commenting on this blog because I have nothing else to say. I have appreciate the back and forth and I hope that everyone who has spoke in here will be praying for Obama and the people that run this country. It was nice talking with all of you(Carmen, Micah, Theresa(Love you) etc....)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-59476912037012182122009-01-25T20:50:00.000-05:002009-01-25T20:50:00.000-05:00One more thing, Jarrod:You write, "if he(well actu...One more thing, Jarrod:<BR/><BR/>You write, "if he(well actually when he) makes abortion legal in this country, he will be held responsible for it."<BR/><BR/>I guess you're talking about President Obama. And...abortion is already legal in this country. Just a heads-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-7573732141281437182009-01-25T20:46:00.000-05:002009-01-25T20:46:00.000-05:00Jarrod - if I can only debunk one urban legend for...Jarrod - if I can only debunk one urban legend for you, let it be the one about Obama and the Koran. Concern over a legitimate issue is fine. Continuing to repeat a lie, however, just makes you look silly. Despite the fact that this "story" is probably still being circulated around the internet, it's just not true. The following link to Snopes (facts, as it turns out, are really great things to have!) explains how it all got started: <BR/><BR/>http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ellison.aspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-55594200242150037312009-01-25T16:41:00.000-05:002009-01-25T16:41:00.000-05:00TERRY SAID:LIBERALS MUST NOT FORGET THAT 59MIL. PE...TERRY SAID:<BR/><BR/>LIBERALS MUST NOT FORGET THAT 59MIL. PEOPLE VOTED FOR MCCAIN. AND MIL. OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN GET OUT TO VOTE. SO TO THINK YOU HAVE A MANDATE IS CRAZY. WE HAVE TO PRAY THAT WE CAN WIN BACK THE CON. AND SEN. . IT ONLY TOOK 2 YEARS FOR THEM TO SCREW UP THE ECONOMY . PELOSI AND REED ARE IDIOTS AND THE WORST KIND OF LIBERALS. AND THEY HAVE THE PUPPET STRINGS TIED TO OBAMA. OBAMA IS READING RIGHT OUT OF THE LIBERAL PLAYBOOK . HE HAS HAD NONE OF HIS ON THOUGHTS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-86611412336389076772009-01-25T16:27:00.001-05:002009-01-25T16:27:00.001-05:00MicahLike I've said before in other comments on th...Micah<BR/><BR/>Like I've said before in other comments on this blog, There are many more reasons why I didn't vote for Obama than just abortion. However, abortion is a huge issue and it is very important to me. Life should be protected no matter what happens. Even if it is something terrible. No I don't have the same experience with abortion as you do, but I do know what The Bible says about it and thats enough for me to have faith and trust in Christ alone. Knowing that he knows whats going on and what has happened, he has a plan for that baby and for that mother. There aren't exceptions for abortion. I've said enough about abortion, and I've backed up everything I've had to say and if you don't get it by now, you never will. <BR/> <BR/> I was rooting for Mike Huckabee personally but that failed. I never said that Christians had to vote republican. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't be about Democrats nd Republicans. I look at what that person stands for and try and see if that person has good character. I don't think he is whats best for this country, but when it comes to what God's plan for the country is, I, just like you have no say in who is in power. I'm not going to throw everything I know and believe out the window. And the fact that these "conspiracy theories" are being brought up is comical to me. The man did get sworn in on the Koran when he became a senator. As far as the "baby killer" goes. If he(well actually when he) makes abortion legal in this country, he will be held responsible for it. Just Bush was held responsible for everything that happened during those 8 years. It won't be just Obama, it will be whoever in Congress voted for it too. The bill that is going to passed says the abortion will be legal and that if a doctor at a hospital says that they wont perform an abortion when someone comes in and wants one, they will take away his liscense. There us so much more junk that its ridiculous, but I'm tired of this. I've made my point on a number of occasions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-7508199408707926212009-01-25T16:27:00.000-05:002009-01-25T16:27:00.000-05:00MicahLike I've said before in other comments on th...Micah<BR/><BR/>Like I've said before in other comments on this blog, There are many more reasons why I didn't vote for Obama than just abortion. However, abortion is a huge issue and it is very important to me. Life should be protected no matter what happens. Even if it is something terrible. No I don't have the same experience with abortion as you do, but I do know what The Bible says about it and thats enough for me to have faith and trust in Christ alone. Knowing that he knows whats going on and what has happened, he has a plan for that baby and for that mother. There aren't exceptions for abortion. I've said enough about abortion, and I've backed up everything I've had to say and if you don't get it by now, you never will. <BR/> <BR/> I was rooting for Mike Huckabee personally but that failed. I never said that Christians had to vote republican. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't be about Democrats nd Republicans. I look at what that person stands for and try and see if that person has good character. I don't think he is whats best for this country, but when it comes to what God's plan for the country is, I, just like you have no say in who is in power. I'm not going to throw everything I know and believe out the window. And the fact that these "conspiracy theories" are being brought up is comical to me. The man did get sworn in on the Koran when he became a senator. As far as the "baby killer" goes. If he(well actually when he) makes abortion legal in this country, he will be held responsible for it. Just Bush was held responsible for everything that happened during those 8 years. It won't be just Obama, it will be whoever in Congress voted for it too. The bill that is going to passed says the abortion will be legal and that if a doctor at a hospital says that they wont perform an abortion when someone comes in and wants one, they will take away his liscense. There us so much more junk that its ridiculous, but I'm tired of this. I've made my point on a number of occasions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-52046065132161071042009-01-25T13:59:00.001-05:002009-01-25T13:59:00.001-05:00I have comments in another blog arguing specifc po...I have comments in another blog arguing specifc points on "prolifeness." From opposing views, there have been a lot of general statements, specific scenarios, but there ..up to this point has been no response to facts. It is interesting when a person feels strongly about a specifc subject, but when it comes time for debating their premise is on fictious "what ifs" and the thesis is not based on anything Scriptural? It is rationalizing. There have been specific facts and statistics given by the "pro-life" crowd on this blog, but I have noticed that none have been addressed by pro-choice. Interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-48242217390087566462009-01-25T13:59:00.000-05:002009-01-25T13:59:00.000-05:00I have comments in another blog arguing specifc po...I have comments in another blog arguing specifc points on "prolifeness." From opposing views, there have been a lot of general statements, specific scenarios, but there ..up to this point has been no response to facts. It is interesting when a person feels strongly about a specifc subject, but when it comes time for debating their premise is on fictious "what ifs" and the thesis is not based on anything Scriptural? It is rationalizing. There have been specific facts and statistics given by the "pro-life" crowd on this blog, but I have noticed that none have been addressed by pro-choice. Interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-23633814806588352442009-01-24T23:23:00.000-05:002009-01-24T23:23:00.000-05:00Why I voted for President Obama.<A HREF="http://micahcarver.atlblogs.com/archives/2009/01/better-late-tha.html" REL="nofollow">Why I voted for President Obama</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-45007176069610507292009-01-24T20:24:00.000-05:002009-01-24T20:24:00.000-05:00Micah...thanks for the back and forth and the oppo...Micah...thanks for the back and forth and the opportunity to converse as the only way people will have clear understanding of why people believe or vote the way they do...In reference to the state bill...Obama did vote against it because of the interference to "choose" he also stated that it didn't have the health of the mother exception as you claim, but the bill was the same bill that was put forth federally of which I do not have the outcome of...in reference to McCain being president if we were center right: people realized that one candidate was the ultra-liberal and the other was a pretender and people will always vote for the "real thing"I myself was facing the thought of holding my nose to vote for Mccain and Palin gave me just a little better feeling about it...In reference to the evangelicals and the GOP...I too realize that most of it is lip service and most politicians will say anything to get elected and many of the so-called conservatives have been huge disappointments, but the fact is there is always a better chance of abortion being outlawed with Republicans...with Democrats, the chances are nill...the main thing about abortion and why it is so violently fought for by liberals is the MONEY...this is a billion dollar a year business and that is really what is driving this train...I don't know if you were around during the "forced busing" years of my youth, but I keep hearing about how racist the south is when you should have seen how they reacted in Boston when they started it up there! The fact is that the entire country has a racist history, not just the south...The only way that abortion will end is one heart at a time, but until then, I will continue to vote for those who believe in the pro-life issue and stand against those who believe that is should be a convenience issue...Mike Yarbroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171113916381733201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-21251372679247567092009-01-24T19:12:00.000-05:002009-01-24T19:12:00.000-05:00MicahWhy don't you tell me how you could even look...Micah<BR/><BR/>Why don't you tell me how you could even look at yourself in the mirror every morning after telling someone you think they should go through with an abortion. I agree 100% with what Carmen just said before me. Every bit of it is true. Who are you to decide that that babies life should end? That is one sin the Lord hates. "Hands that shed innocent blood." Its right there, black and white. As far as the gay marriage issue, I know he is against gay marriage, but he is for "civil unions". While we can't control anybody and the way they live, that doesn't mean that its right and it should be allowed, Period. And as far as abortion goes again, I told you once but I'll say it again. Those situations you were talking about are terrible and the people that commit those crimes and sins should be put to death or put in prison for life, but the issue here is LIFE. You don't slaughter an innocent baby because of what YOU think. Its about what God says, and therefore its wrong. God has a plan for that baby, no matter what it may be, he has a plan. Not to mention, YOU ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR OVERSEAS ABORTIONS NOW!! The man lifted that ban that PRESIDENT BUSH pounced on and said no way! You can't justify why you voted for him(if you did, i really meant people in general that voted for him). He is going to give a stimulus check to people who don't pay taxes. Basically he is saying "hey, you don't have to work, i'm going to give you money". Its right there, black and white, but nobody cares because to other people this is a race issue and now they are justified because someone of a different color is The President. This crap is bogus and I think this country is going down fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-20384402588723404172009-01-24T14:40:00.000-05:002009-01-24T14:40:00.000-05:00Micah- one more thing.... I believe it shows error...Micah- one more thing.... I believe it shows error to rationalize the right to choose based on a few isolated very specific circumstances. As far as date rape and rape - there are many wounds from that, and I know someone personally that was faced with that dilemma. Christians should support that person to sustain the pregnancy to keep- or to give for adoption. The fact is that is a life!!...the circumstances are tragic, but nevertheless God allowed it and though we don't understand why, ending a life HE created is wrong. My 9 and 7 year old are already able to rationlize their sin when confronted. Even if the circumstances make the sinful action "understandable", it doesn't change the fact that the sin is still the sin. Period. Otherwise, we are saying our decision to have a baby "under the circumstances" is ours - when really it isn't. The science of conception is amazingly complex, but the origin and creator is God -EVEN if He didn't ordain the circumstances. Secondly, the scenario of choosing between your wife and a baby - wow, that is tough. So, to support this legislation under that bases summary is as follows: millions of babies are SACRIFICED/murdered each year and approvingly...based on a chance that your wife MAY have to give up her life?? That is quite a price for such a random scenario! It's a tough subject, but I as a woman would choose to give up my life if I knew that in exchange the millions of unborn children's rights were protected! I hope I am never faced to stand for my convistions in that circumstnace, but if so I know where I stand. If us Christians are weak enough to adjust our values, what if we are here during the end times...which is not clearly stated yay or nay in the Bible and I understand is debateable in itself. (I personally, hope for the best, and want to be as prepared for worst). But assuming Christians are here throught the tribulation, will some take the mark of the beast to save the life of their loved ones? What compromises are Biblical and which ones are just human logic...chalked with human reasoning and thus error. Eve thought it was reasonable to partake in the garden, right? Though it made sense, she was deceived and therefore refused to accept and obey God's command. Number 6 of the Ten Commandments is still one of God's commands. Scenarios weren't given to condone murder of the innocent. WHO are we here for and why are we here? We Christians need to stop being so easily "offended/defensive" and hellbent on rationalizing and stand up for what is RIGHT. It's not easy or likeable and even is offensive at times, but it's our purpose...and should be our resolve with firmness yet in love. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-18695841360051852892009-01-24T14:04:00.000-05:002009-01-24T14:04:00.000-05:00Jarrod - 1) Please tell me "there's no ex...Jarrod - <BR/><BR/>1) Please tell me "there's no exception for abortion" when you become a teenage girl who's been raped by your stepfather. Tell me you "don't care what happened to that person" when it's your sister, cousin, best friend or wife. Your writing makes evident the emotional investment you have in this argument, however, I assure you, as important as it is to feel strongly about something, that emotion can also make you blind if you're not careful.<BR/><BR/>2) I meant to fill you in on this earlier, but neither President Obama or Vice President Biden support the legalization of gay marriage. That was covered months ago in the debates. So...that's kind of a non-issue.<BR/><BR/>Mike & Carmen - in an effort to give Theresa her blog back (although, I told her the other day how great this was for her Google ratings!), I'll put a link to my blog here in the comments. I'm in the process of answering your questions, but this is the weekend, and I have a princess dress-up party scheduled with my daughter. I appreciate your patience. Enjoy your Saturday!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-23198882302722232322009-01-24T12:24:00.000-05:002009-01-24T12:24:00.000-05:00To call someone racist just because they don't lik...To call someone racist just because they don't like or Obama or didn't vote for him or they don't think he is the right black man is obsurd. To make an assumption like that is crazy. I didn't vote for him because of certain reasons that you already know from a previous post I made. Does any of that make me racist? If the man had the right values and morals then I would have voted for him, period. You want you're president to have good character don't you? Someone who wants to protect EVERY life in this country. Not to mention he is sticking his nose in other countries business by paying for their abortions. There is no exception for abortion, none. I don't care what happened with that person. Even if it is a very bad situation. God has a plan for that child and it shouldn't be slaughtered. Just because he is the President doesn't mean you have to respect him. People have to earn respect. Its not just given to someone because he is in a powerful position. To me he has to earn the peoples respect, especially in a position that he is in. As far as gay marriage goes, there is no exception to that. It should be illegal. There is only one thing I think should be allowed and thats the whole "if you're partner is about to die in the hospital, i think they should be allowed to see them. Thats the only thing though. Yes we have the free will to do anything we want but there is a difference between right and wrong. We can't just say they can do whatever they want because of that very reason because that negates what the bible says. They shouldn't be allowed to even be in a relationship anyway. It says in the Bible "A man shall not lay with another man". I never said hate them, and I never said disown them even though this is the toughest thing for me to do. You have to be willing to stand up for what you believe even when you have friends that disagree. Don't lower you're standards or go away from what you believe just for that reason. If you know the truth then why are you questioning yourself? Just think about some of this stuff cause this is a very important time we are living in right now and it will be for the next 4 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-29843723268323559322009-01-23T23:19:00.000-05:002009-01-23T23:19:00.000-05:00Just out of interest, Micah...what specifics made ...Just out of interest, Micah...what specifics made Obama your candidate of choice? As I read your thorugh thoughts via blog, I am deeply interested on what values Obama has that overrides the abortion "issue." I am sincerely interested and (though it is certain I wouldn't change my opinion for prioritizing the right to life) am curious why you felt he was right choice for you. I am nauseated be everyone that I know who voted because they were "ready for change." I want specifics. Will you indulge me? I am no longer interested in debating. It's done. Thanks:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-10165310701675501262009-01-23T21:58:00.000-05:002009-01-23T21:58:00.000-05:00Mike - I appreciate you hanging in with the conver...Mike - I appreciate you hanging in with the conversation and sticking to the issues. I'm enjoying the back and forth, and am grateful for the opportunity for iron to sharpen iron here. Also, I'll take any love, even when it's misdirected! Also, before this is all over, I may ask you to sing <EM>I Have Seen The Light</EM> just once. Be forewarned.<BR/><BR/>The futility of simply typing words is that nuance can't be communicated. I don't think you're a racist, but I said your words regarding the "right" African-American to get "this far", etc. (for which you've now provided a richer context) walked a fine line. Despite my love of the South, a predisposition to racism is too often our default - even in the most subtle ways - and it has to be guarded against. That's what I was going for. <BR/><BR/>Also, if we were a center-right country, John McCain would be President, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. However, I don't think we're exactly center-left either. We're somewhere in the middle (the center-center?), and even that middle fluctuates. We're not a socialist country either, and we don't have a socialist President (although I know how popular that is to say among conservatives). If wanting everyone to have healthcare, for example, is socialism, then I hope we're able to look past ourselves. I'm assuming you have healthcare, Mike. I do too. I pay for a portion of it, but my employer foots the majority of the bill. Perhaps you have a similar situation. If so, we're the lucky ones, and don't know what it would feel like to be without it day-in and out, or year-in and out. Just because something doesn't apply to us, or our neighbors or congregation, doesn't make it useless. That's why government programs (even the ones that need re-working) aren't all without merit, or somehow a threat to democracy.<BR/><BR/>Real quick: you wrote that "it was Obama who blocked legislation in his state of Illinois that would have afforded protection to babies that survived a botched abortion because it might interfere with the "right to choose." In reality, he voted against that legislation because it didn't include a medical clause that protected the health of the mother. I pray to God that I'm never in a position where I have to choose the life of my unborn child over the life of my wife, but if I am, my wife would come first, and I would want the right to make that decision. Both sides, sadly, are guilty of spinning voting records, and this is a classic example of that.<BR/><BR/>Here's my issue with the anti-abortion movement, and how it relates to the Republican Party and the evangelical Christian church: it doesn't appear to be anything other than lip service from the people you vote for. In fact, the truth is that, to capture the voting block that is the evangelical Christian church, all a candidate needs to do is say they're against abortion. Having a voting record helps, whether or not those votes really matter, or are just PR. What's actually being done though? Sure, Bush put Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court, but to what end? What have they accomplished? And really, as far as abortion is concerned, do you honestly believe these next four (or eight) years would be much different under McCain than they will be under Obama? Sure, there's no way of knowing, but Clinton's eight years were not terribly different from Bush's (in terms of abortion rights or restrictions). Ultimately, if the only thing that's important is banning abortion, how are we any different today, after eight years of President Bush? The bottom line is this: if you want to be nominated as a Republican, you'd better say you're against abortion. Additionally, if you want to be nominated as a Democrat, you'd better say you're for a woman's right to choose. (Side note: no one is <EM>for</EM> abortion, which is to say, no one wakes in the morning and says with gusto "let the abortions begin") Neither side has to really mean it, but you have to say it. If you'll recall, James Dobson was unwilling to endorse John McCain until he picked Sarah Palin for his VP. Dobson dangled the voting block carrot and McCain got the message: pick one of us or we'll forget to vote in November. Ultimately, I take President Obama at his word when he says (to paraphrase) that we might not all agree on the right to choose, but we can all agree that we need to decrease the number of abortions. I also take him at his word when he says that he's a Christian. Perhaps the President, however, understands that ours is not a Christian nation, but a nation founded on freedom of, as well as from, religion. Our laws are made for and by a diverse group of people. Which is not to say you can't and shouldn't be fighting against abortion. But I think it's clear that to vote solely on that issue is just playing into the hand of people who use an incredibly emotional issue to their advantage when it comes to getting your vote. Lastly, we both know that banning anything doesn't ever eradicate it. We banned alcohol during prohibition, but it just went underground (or into the woods, rather). We banned the sale of some assault rifles, but if you knew someone who knew someone, you could buy one out of someone else's trunk. Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, the issue of whether abortion is legal or not will go back to the states. Certainly some states will ban it, others will not. Doctors working in banned states will still perform abortions, it will just go underground. However, again, I'm not saying that it's not worth fighting for, I just think it should be gone about differently. Ending abortion is achieved much more effectively when we build relationships with people, make alternatives available, let them know they're loved...not simply shutting down a clinic or calling people murderers (unfortunately we have crazies on both sides of this issue). It's accomplished early on with sex-education that includes an honest discussion about abstinence, but covers everything from condoms to sexually-transmitted diseases as well. Preventing unplanned pregnancies will go a long way to reducing the number of abortions performed, and I'd much rather see us be pro-active rather than reactive. <BR/><BR/>Finally, I've gone on too long on a blog that's not mine. However, as we've both discovered, the questions deserve more than just bumper sticker zingers. Also, I'm intent on answering your question of what led me to vote for the President. If I wrote it here, I'd write twice as much as I already have, so I'll provide it via Facebook. Be well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-26729615753451835732009-01-23T12:15:00.000-05:002009-01-23T12:15:00.000-05:00Tricia...I would be more than happy to sing the pr...Tricia...I would be more than happy to sing the praises of the Methodists! It's just that I am SBC and have that information! I'm sure that the Methodists are holding their end of the bargin! I agree whole-hardedly that there are more life issues than abortion...its just that abortion is legislated...meaning that there is legislation that allows it and I believe this to be fundamentally wrong on so many levels and the new President sides with those who think that this is o.k. I will pray for him as I beleiev that this is the right thing to do, but I will fight every effort to make abortion more readily available or to erase the few gains that have been made to end this barbaric practice...Mike Yarbroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11171113916381733201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-80691398809701673182009-01-23T10:25:00.000-05:002009-01-23T10:25:00.000-05:00I am not going to direct any of this at any specif...I am not going to direct any of this at any specific person. If you feel convicted or upset or anything over anything that I have to say then I guess it was directed to you. If not, then it wasnt.<BR/><BR/>It's amazing to me the extremely high level of "buffet Christianity" we have in this country. People like to have a little bit of this, maybe some of that, but def. not that, oh and I think I might take just a small portion of this....It's absolutely ridiculous. As a Christian, we dont pick and choose what we believe in from the Bible or what we stand for. You just cant. It will eventually erode away your entire testimony.<BR/><BR/>To honestly say that you are against abortion but support a womans right to choose..? HUH?!? That makes ZERO sense. I'll tell you what womans "choice" I agree with...the choice to save sex for marriage. You violate that and get pregnant, Im just as sorry as I can be but that doesnt mean that abortion is then ok because "you arent ready to be a mom" or whatever little "convenience" statement you wanna put in there. Over 90% of abortions in this country happen because of the "god of convenience" and it makes me sick.<BR/>And another thing - to say that life is about more than just abortion is true to a degree. Obviously I dont want there to be hunger in this world. I absolutely hate the thought of children going to bed hungry. But lets think about it like this - is there legislation being brought up that will prevent children in this country from being fed or prevent people in this country from helping those outside this country?.....I didnt think so. Is there legislation being brought up that will ALLOW THE SLAUGHTERING OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENT, DEFENSELESS BABIES and allow our money to go towards the support of abortion and abortion teaching in the world abroad by our very own US citizens?.....Just let that sink in. <BR/><BR/>Am I saying that more shouldnt be done to help prevent world hunger and such? No, obviously not. But at the same time, things are being done. This is just a big world and everyone cant be helped at one time. And you just dont hear about it because the majority of media outlets dont want to show great things being done by Christians. It would go against their massive liberal agendas.<BR/><BR/>And to say that someone is racist because they say that Obama was quite possibly the wrong black man to make it this far (or should I say bi-racial man) is absolutely ridiculous. If there was a black person (or for that matter any other race) that was a God-fearing, Bible-believing (100%, not the buffet believing style) candidate..I would vote for him/her in a heart beat.<BR/><BR/>Race ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT guide my vote - never has and never will. What a person stands for and represents and my Biblical convictions are what guide my vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-26422682784970999552009-01-22T23:26:00.000-05:002009-01-22T23:26:00.000-05:00I really appreciate the comments and the Honest, O...I really appreciate the comments and the Honest, Open Discussion that has been going on in the past day or so. I am thankful for all of you and your opinions and your ability to debate with one another in a kind, warm, and compassionate manner.<BR/><BR/>I love you all.Theresa Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099980038258318614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-4774630817882036172009-01-22T18:27:00.000-05:002009-01-22T18:27:00.000-05:00I love how everyone is praising this man and he ha...I love how everyone is praising this man and he hasn't even done anything yet. The fact that one of the first things he talked about doing is closing Guantanamo Bay. I'd love to hear what he plans to do with the men who want people in this country dead. I will be praying for The President and his advisors and I hope that he does things that are good for this country and right for this country. I hope he does things that God wants for this country. This is a race issue and then again it isn't. Basically what I mean is it depends on who you ask. I'm not racist at all and think all men are created equal. However, this election isn't really gonna change anything. Basically I'm saying that all the people out there that don't like the man cause he is black, are still gonna feel the same way they do now and after he is gone. I didn't vote for him because he is for abortion. He is for gay marriage. He wants this country to be a socialist country. That day was a great thing for the spirits of the black people. I'm asking folks to wait and see what the man does before you start praising him just because he happens to be a different color. Thats not what an election is based on. It shouldn't be based on Democrats or Republicans. I am mostly Republican because I agree with what most of them stand for and what they believe in. Everyone blames Bush for everything that is going on as far as war, gas prices and the economy. The man couldn't do anything without Congress. Mccain was the lesser of the two and i'm disappointed in Republicans for not finding a better nominee. I was watching the view the other day with my dad(lol he records it) and they were talking about President Bush. Barabra Walters was saying how she met him and he was such a gentle and noble man. And she said how good of a man he was. Then you hear Joy say "I don't care if he is a good man or not or care about him personally. I just care about his politics and policies". Now I don't know about any of you but I want my President to have good Character and its people like her in this country and on Liberal News stations that make me sick because they think we want to here the crap that comes out of their mouth. I heard people saying that this was The most important Inaugeration in U.S. history. lol don't you think the most important one was the very first one with George Washington? People in the news made this election a race election and thats why people are so brain washed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-91814387247963764142009-01-22T15:10:00.000-05:002009-01-22T15:10:00.000-05:00WOW. Obama and his administration will are impleme...WOW. Obama and his administration will are implementing an end to world hunger and disease!!! That is great news! Nevermind, they are planning to remove the ban of partial birth abortions...they are saving lives! You probably could find Bush snatching food from a starving child on the internet...oh wait, no probably not. Yes, this is sarcasm and stupidity but so are the analogies of equating the items on Obama's global agenda to Christian values. The first goal is to honor God as a nation, and then we can reach out to others with wisdom and confidence throughout the world. BTW, is Obama going to have Gitmo residents reside.. where? I just don't hear even his strongest supporters voice what he will do to better America. I have listened carefully to 2 years of speeches and rallies - it's all rhetoric. When it comes to values and what he supports, I simply don't agree and stick to my convictions. I will pray for him and our country faithfully. Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20141159.post-68265201451672960452009-01-22T14:44:00.000-05:002009-01-22T14:44:00.000-05:00Mike, I don't doubt the church isn't doing somethi...Mike, I don't doubt the church isn't doing something. I guess my concern is the lack of genuine relationships in which Christ could be presented, even in Columbus. Christians getting to know their gay neighbor or Muslim co worker. Relational ministry, if you will. I would like to see more of a personal investment into non believers by Christians on a daily basis, not just when mission trip times rolls around. As for abortion, Mike you nailed it. The point I was trying to make was that there are more life issues than abortion. It does not in any way suggest abortion to be less important, but that we simply miss the other lives being lost becasue abortion gets all the press. I couldn't agree more with that. And as for the Southern Baptists doing all the work, give us Methodists some credit :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com